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Government's exam for citizenship

Postby cranky laowai » Wed Jun 14, 2017 17:55

I'm wondering about the language requirement for citizenship here. Supposedly applicants need to pass a language exam (at the household registration office?). What is this like? How difficult? Is there reading and writing (in Chinese characters) involved?

Is there a sample exam anywhere online?

Etc.

(Edit: Actually, it's a civic knowledge exam. But people can't take it in English, so it functions as a de facto language exam as well.)
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Re: Government's language exam for citizenship

Postby Kal El » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:42

cranky laowai wrote:I'm wondering about the language requirement for citizenship here. Supposedly applicants need to pass a language exam (at the household registration office?). What is this like?

You get a booklet to study. When you're ready, you go take the exam. Written or orally.

cranky laowai wrote: How difficult?

Depends on your level. Also, if you can prove 3 semesters of Chinese study at a government recognised language insitute (like Shi Da etc), then you don't need to take the test.

cranky laowai wrote: Is there reading and writing (in Chinese characters) involved?

Can be taken orally or written (Chinese reading required, multiple choice answers).

Some examples (the pinyin and English translation isn't included, that was done by me):
政府組織類 (Government Organisation)
Zhèngfǔ zǔzhī lèi


1. 依憲法規定,總統是由誰直接投票選舉產生的?
Yī xiànfǎ guīdìng, zǒngtǒng shì yóu shéi zhíjiē tóupiào xuǎnjǔ chǎnshēngde?
According to the constitution, who directly elects the President?

(1) 中華民國自由地區全體人民
Zhōnghuá Mínguó zìyóu dìqū quántǐ rénmín.
All the people of the free areas of the ROC vote for the President.
(2)立法委員
Lìfǎ wěiyuán.
Members of the Legislative Yuan.
(3)直轄市及縣(市)長
Zhíxiáshì jí xiàn (shì) zhǎng.
Heads of municipalities under direct central control and county (city) heads.
答案:(1)中華民國自由地區全體人民

2. 總統的任期是多久?  
Zǒngtǒngde rènqī shì duōjiǔ?
How long is the President’s term of office?

(1)2年
(2)3年
(3)4年
答案:(3)4年

3. 我國總統每幾年選一次?
Wǒguó zǒngtǒng měi jǐnián xuǎn yīcì?
How often are presidential elections held?

(1)3年
(2)4年
(3)5年
答案:(2)4年

4. 我國的元首稱為什麼?  
Wǒguóde yuánshǒu chēngwèi shénme?
What is our country’s head of state called?

(1) 總理
Zǒnglǐ
Prime Minister
(2)國王
Guówáng
King
(3)總統
Zǒngtǒng
President
答案:(3)總統

5. 我國的中央政府組織有五院,以下哪一項不是屬於五院之一?
Wǒguóde zhōngyāngzhèngfǔ zǔzhī yǒu wǔyuàn yǐxià nǎ yīxiàng bù shì shǔyú wǔyuàn zhīyī?
Our country’s central government has five yuans, which of the following aren’t one of them?

(1) 中央研究院
Zhōngyāng Yánjiūyuàn
Academia Sinica
(2)行政院
Xíng zhèng yuàn
Exectutive Yuan
(3)立法院
Lì fǎ yuàn
Legislative Yuan
答案:(1)中央研究院


cranky laowai wrote:Is there a sample exam anywhere online?

There is, but I can't be bothered to search for it.
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Re: Government's language exam for citizenship

Postby cranky laowai » Thu Jun 15, 2017 15:07

Kal El wrote:
cranky laowai wrote:Is there a sample exam anywhere online?

There is, but I can't be bothered to search for it.

The examples you helpfully typed out were enough for me to find this:
Huà qǔdé wǒguó guójí zhě jīběn yǔyán nénglì jí guómín quánlì yìwù jīběn chángshí cèshì (化取得我國國籍者基本語言能力及國民權利義務基本常識測試)

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Re: Government's language exam for citizenship

Postby Kal El » Thu Jun 15, 2017 21:57

cranky laowai wrote:
Kal El wrote:
cranky laowai wrote:Is there a sample exam anywhere online?

There is, but I can't be bothered to search for it.

The examples you helpfully typed out were enough for me to find this:
Huà qǔdé wǒguó guójí zhě jīběn yǔyán nénglì jí guómín quánlì yìwù jīběn chángshí cèshì (化取得我國國籍者基本語言能力及國民權利義務基本常識測試)

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There you go. That's it. :thumbsup:

It looks as if some of the questions have changed, but it's mostly the same as when I wrote it, so if you need or want the translation with English and pinyin feel free to send me a pm with your e-mail.
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Re: Government's language exam for citizenship

Postby Bu Lai En » Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:46

If you do it as an oral test, you don't get the multi-choice answers. Written, it's multi-choice. You can memorize the answers even with very limited reading ability. I got one wrong, I think.

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Re: Government's language exam for citizenship

Postby Bubbha » Sun Jun 25, 2017 20:23

That seems less a language test than it is a test of knowledge of government.
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Re: Government's language exam for citizenship

Postby Kal El » Wed Jun 28, 2017 22:39

Bubbha wrote:That seems less a language test than it is a test of knowledge of government.

Yes, all about government. :facepalm: :roll:

22 Sections:
1. 政府組織類 (The examples I gave, i.e. Government Organisation.)
2. 國旗類
3. 參政權類
4. 簽證及護照類
5. 居留類
6. 歸化類
8. 教育類
9. 財稅金融類
10. 兵役類
11. 社會福利類
12. 家庭暴力防治類
13. 地政類
14. 全民健保及醫療類
15. 就業類
16. 交通安全類
17. 環境保護類
18. 災害防治類
19. 消費者保護類
20. 自然環境及原住民類
21. 民俗節慶類
22. 日常生活類

Edit: And it's not a language test. As with the US Civics Test (aka the US citizenship test), it is a citizenship test testing your knowledge of Taiwan (across 22 sections) in written or oral form in Mandarin, Taiwanese, Hakka or an aboriginal language (where available).
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Re: Government's exam for citizenship

Postby cranky laowai » Wed Apr 25, 2018 16:18

The test has changed a couple of times since the one linked to earlier in this thread. So although previous translations and hacks may still be generally useful, people should be careful not to rely exclusively on them.

The latest exam -- approved on March 14, 2018 -- has 252 possible questions, considerably more than the 200 questions on the original.

Here's the new test: Guīhuà qǔdé wǒguó guójí zhě jīběn yǔyán nénglì jí guómín quánlì yìwù jīběn chángshí cèshì (bǐshì)

Here's the gummit's information page on this: Guīhuà cèshì zīxùn zhuānqū.
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Re: Government's exam for citizenship

Postby Kal El » Wed Apr 25, 2018 23:25

cranky laowai wrote:The test has changed a couple of times since the one linked to earlier in this thread. So although previous translations and hacks may still be generally useful, people should be careful not to rely exclusively on them.

The latest exam -- approved on March 14, 2018 -- has 252 possible questions, considerably more than the 200 questions on the original.

Here's the new test: Guīhuà qǔdé wǒguó guójí zhě jīběn yǔyán nénglì jí guómín quánlì yìwù jīběn chángshí cèshì (bǐshì)

Here's the gummit's information page on this: Guīhuà cèshì zīxùn zhuānqū.

Fifty Two extra questions is hardly "considerable". So get the booklet, study and pass like we all did. Where's the hassle? :idunno:
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Re: Government's exam for citizenship

Postby John Ross » Thu Apr 26, 2018 09:31

Kal El wrote:
cranky laowai wrote:The test has changed a couple of times since the one linked to earlier in this thread. So although previous translations and hacks may still be generally useful, people should be careful not to rely exclusively on them.

The latest exam -- approved on March 14, 2018 -- has 252 possible questions, considerably more than the 200 questions on the original.

Here's the new test: Guīhuà qǔdé wǒguó guójí zhě jīběn yǔyán nénglì jí guómín quánlì yìwù jīběn chángshí cèshì (bǐshì)

Here's the gummit's information page on this: Guīhuà cèshì zīxùn zhuānqū.

Fifty Two extra questions is hardly "considerable". So get the booklet, study and pass like we all did. Where's the hassle? :idunno:


Hassle? I don't see any mention of "hassle," only an informative post from Cranky with very useful links. As for 52 additional questions to an original 200, yes, you might successfully prosecute the argument that Cranky got slightly carried away with his use of the word "considerable," but such are the dangers of the Internet. Another danger is....
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Re: Government's exam for citizenship

Postby Kal El » Thu Apr 26, 2018 23:27

John Ross wrote:
Kal El wrote:
cranky laowai wrote:The test has changed a couple of times since the one linked to earlier in this thread. So although previous translations and hacks may still be generally useful, people should be careful not to rely exclusively on them.

The latest exam -- approved on March 14, 2018 -- has 252 possible questions, considerably more than the 200 questions on the original.

Here's the new test: Guīhuà qǔdé wǒguó guójí zhě jīběn yǔyán nénglì jí guómín quánlì yìwù jīběn chángshí cèshì (bǐshì)

Here's the gummit's information page on this: Guīhuà cèshì zīxùn zhuānqū.

Fifty Two extra questions is hardly "considerable". So get the booklet, study and pass like we all did. Where's the hassle? :idunno:


Hassle? I don't see any mention of "hassle,"

Did I say he mentioned the word "hassle"? No. Did I say the post wasn't informative? No. So what are you on about?

John Ross wrote: only an informative post from Cranky with very useful links. As for 52 additional questions to an original 200, yes, you might successfully prosecute the argument that Cranky got slightly carried away with his use of the word "considerable," but such are the dangers of the Internet. Another danger is....

And what has your post added to the value of the thread except to get on a high "white horse" coming to Cranky's defense, which I'm sure he doesn't need?

My post still stands: Fifty Two extra questions is hardly "considerable". So get the booklet, study and pass like we all did. Where's the hassle?
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Re: Government's exam for citizenship

Postby SuperS54 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 13:36

"Kal El"
My post still stands: Fifty Two extra questions is hardly "considerable". So get the booklet, study and pass like we all did. Where's the hassle?


52 extra questions over the original 200 is a 26% increase and therefore considered "considerable" by most people.
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Re: Government's exam for citizenship

Postby Kal El » Sat Apr 28, 2018 00:01

SuperS54 wrote:
"Kal El"
My post still stands: Fifty Two extra questions is hardly "considerable". So get the booklet, study and pass like we all did. Where's the hassle?


52 extra questions over the original 200 is a 26% increase and therefore considered "considerable" by most people.

Ok, and? 26% of 200 is considerable? I could understand 26% of 2000 being considerable, but 26% of 200. You guys are so precious.

Edit: I want to note why I am not that taken aback by 52 added questions. When I got the original booklet with 200 questions about 9 years ago my Chinese was pretty basic. The book was in Chinese with no zhuyin or pinyin, in not exactly conversational Chinese. In order to prepare for the test I hunted down an online copy so I could at least get pinyin/zhuyin for it and spent about three months translating it and putting it all up on Forumosa for everyone to use. That copy is still out there. If someone here needs to do it now, they would just need to do the same for 52 questions. The bulk of the first 200 is already done for you. I believe you could still find NorthCoastSurfer's "Cheat Program" he designed for those 200 questions, also. Help is available, the bulk of the work has already been done for you.
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Re: Government's exam for citizenship

Postby cranky laowai » Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:37

Sigh.

OK, let me try this again. I'll spell things out a bit more.

Yes, I know about the work that you, Northcoast Surfer, Ironlady, and others did on the earlier version of the test. I did, after all, include a link directly to it in my previous post. I have nothing but respect and praise for everyone's effort in that.

It is crucial, however, for anyone who would take the government's language/civic knowledge exam now or in the future to know that the new test (dated March 14, 2018) is not the same as the old test. Nor is it the old test with 52 additional questions tacked on. Although there is some overlap between the previous and current test, people must now deal with a new and different exam.

For example, the following was true for the first exam:
Postulate 5: Telephone numbers (7)

There are 7 questions about telephone numbers. Memorize these numbers and select them when you get to a question where they appear. Exception! The number 113 appears with the other numbers below on four occasions. Therefore, only choose 113 when it doesn’t appear with any of the other numbers below! What are these numbers for? Who cares! Memorize and select them for an additional 3.5% correct rate toward the total 200 questions.

Memorize these phone numbers
110, 112, 113, 119, 165, 1950


The new test has 10 questions involving telephone numbers. If this section of the new test were simply that of the old exam (seven questions) plus three new questions, using the above method would yield the correct answer to at least seven of the ten questions. But that's not the case. On the new test, the old method yields the correct answer to just four questions. Six answers would be wrong. [Edit: I misread something earlier, so the numbers I gave are incorrect. The old hack would now yield 7 correct and 3 wrong answers. The test is different, though.]

I am not saying that by changing the test or making it, ahem, considerably longer the government is being unfair or that this is a "hassle." I'm just reporting something that people wanting to naturalize as ROC citizens need to know.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll conclude this post. I have a test to study for.

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Re: Government's exam for citizenship

Postby Kal El » Sun Apr 29, 2018 06:43

cranky laowai wrote:
Spoiler:
Sigh.

OK, let me try this again. I'll spell things out a bit more.

Yes, I know about the work that you, Northcoast Surfer, Ironlady, and others did on the earlier version of the test. I did, after all, include a link directly to it in my previous post. I have nothing but respect and praise for everyone's effort in that.

It is crucial, however, for anyone who would take the government's language/civic knowledge exam now or in the future to know that the new test (dated March 14, 2018) is not the same as the old test. Nor is it the old test with 52 additional questions tacked on. Although there is some overlap between the previous and current test, people must now deal with a new and different exam.

For example, the following was true for the first exam:
Postulate 5: Telephone numbers (7)

There are 7 questions about telephone numbers. Memorize these numbers and select them when you get to a question where they appear. Exception! The number 113 appears with the other numbers below on four occasions. Therefore, only choose 113 when it doesn’t appear with any of the other numbers below! What are these numbers for? Who cares! Memorize and select them for an additional 3.5% correct rate toward the total 200 questions.

Memorize these phone numbers
110, 112, 113, 119, 165, 1950


The new test has 10 questions involving telephone numbers. If this section of the new test were simply that of the old exam (seven questions) plus three new questions, using the above method would yield the correct answer to at least seven of the ten questions. But that's not the case. On the new test, the old method yields the correct answer to just four questions. Six answers would be wrong. [Edit: I misread something earlier, so the numbers I gave are incorrect. The old hack would now yield 7 correct and 3 wrong answers. The test is different, though.]

I am not saying that by changing the test or making it, ahem, considerably longer the government is being unfair or that this is a "hassle." I'm just reporting something that people wanting to naturalize as ROC citizens need to know.

Cranky, I'm not saying you're whining about any of this. You've always struck me as pretty much a "whatever, let's just get on with it" sort of bloke. That said, I have never felt that that anyone should rely on NCS's "cheat". I've always been proud of and encouraged use of my transcription and translation. I feel that it is still useful and that current test takers should use mine and build on it here by adding the extra and different questions, thereby helping out the community at large. So, what with all this whinging, why is no one posting my relevant transalations along with translations of the newer and extra questions instead of a load of selfish whining? Start a new thread. Use the relevant questions I already transcribed and translated. Add the new ones and get community input on the new ones. Finish with a complete transcription and translation of the new booklet. You get to study for your test and help the community. Instead, all I see is whinging with no one getting help. What gives? Has the community really become so selfish and entitled?

Edit: Please, this is not directed at you personally, as we all know what kind of generous bloke you are. I'm speaking in general here.

cranky laowai wrote:Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll conclude this post. I have a test to study for.

I'm surprised you have to do the test at all. Was all your Chinese self taught/learnt?

So, come one guys. How about starting a thread on the new booklet. Use the questions I've already done and add the new ones I didn't. End with a post with the complete current test with pinyin transcription and English translation! It helps you study and helps others!
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