Donald Trump's offences

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Re: Donald Trump's offences

Postby shiadoa » Thu Dec 21, 2017 15:52

Hmmmm, this is rather like watching CNN. I try to remain neutral, where possible, and used to enjoy the odd friendly banter and reasoned arguments.
It seems that the current political climate is so polarized and toxic, alternative views ( whether "right" or "wrong"), are part of the World we live in.
At the moment, although the Left may have reasons to be irritated , ridiculing and demeaning opposite points of view with such venom seems a more "fascist" thing to do in the literal sense and can actually contribute to the intransigence on both sides.

As a "neutral" in USA politics, I am a little surprised by , for instance, the HRC revelations being used as a Russian interference tool, whilst ignoring the actual content , which was pretty bad IMO. I
I am pretty much pro immigration but only when it is legal . Some States seems to be motivated, simply to screw up the Trump agenda, but at "any " cost" .
I am also concerned that George Soros is funding so much in both the USA and Europe . 18 billion , in EU...and I am not sure of his ultimate agenda.

You can , no doubt, say the same is true of the "right", but I think you will ensure Trump is re-elected for exactly the same reasons, again.
I accept that he can be an utter a-hole , but your apparent disdain and venom for so many in the US supporting him will backfire IMO.
If you want to remove him, YOU need to be more tolerant.
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Re: Donald Trump's offences

Postby Big Vern » Thu Dec 21, 2017 17:39

If I'm correct in assuming you were responding to my post I can assure you that I am not left wing, shiadoa. I like to think of myself as more of a political realist.

I do wish people would be more tolerant about my supposed intolerance.

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Re: Donald Trump's offences

Postby shiadoa » Thu Dec 21, 2017 18:09

Actually BV it was a response to most of the responses. It seems very difficult to propose Conservative views anymore, as they are shouted down as being immoral or worse. I see too much Virtue signalling and bias .It would be refreshing to see ALL media actually report the News and let me decide what my opinion is. Have discussion shows but , please just give me the "News" and stop trying to make it fit an agenda. That works both ways.

Too many trying to score points and ridicule. Some voters may not have been to Universities and they may not understand many parts of the Liberal /Socialist viewpoint. They still have a vote and their priorities and desires must be included in a Democracy. By all means try to persuade them but from what I see , many of the Campus opinions on Politics are too biased and driven by people reluctant to allow Conservative ideals.
They seem to support a general Marxist/ Socialist agenda , whilst failing to understand all the implications of those systems in the real World. As an Ideology, I can see the appeal but also the failings ,having lived under both Left/Right Governments.

The "Middle Road" seems to have gone, and I am sad about that.
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Re: Donald Trump's offences

Postby Big Vern » Thu Dec 21, 2017 18:17

shiadoa wrote:Do not be annoyed with me.....It is my Birthday and i refuse to be upset :facepalm:


I'm not annoyed.

What you are referring to is the death of honest debate which IMO isn't linked to any political affiliations. It's to do with the nature of discourse on the internet combined (or perhaps partly caused by internet discourse) with a growing inability for people to accept disagreement.
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Re: Donald Trump's offences

Postby Big Vern » Thu Dec 21, 2017 18:19

Oh, Happy Birthday by the way.

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Re: Donald Trump's offences

Postby shiadoa » Thu Dec 21, 2017 18:26

Big Vern wrote:
shiadoa wrote:Do not be annoyed with me.....It is my Birthday and i refuse to be upset :facepalm:


I'm not annoyed.

What you are referring to is the death of honest debate which IMO isn't linked to any political affiliations. It's to do with the nature of discourse on the internet combined (or perhaps partly caused by internet discourse) with a growing inability for people to accept disagreement.


You are correct. I do , however, think that it IS directly related to Political agendas being deemed "normal", in many Universities today. :grandpa:
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Re: Donald Trump's offences

Postby Big Vern » Thu Dec 21, 2017 18:39

shiadoa wrote:
Big Vern wrote:
shiadoa wrote:Do not be annoyed with me.....It is my Birthday and i refuse to be upset :facepalm:


I'm not annoyed.

What you are referring to is the death of honest debate which IMO isn't linked to any political affiliations. It's to do with the nature of discourse on the internet combined (or perhaps partly caused by internet discourse) with a growing inability for people to accept disagreement.


You are correct. I do , however, think that it IS directly related to Political agendas being deemed "normal", in many Universities today. :grandpa:

I would argue that the political agendas in many (let's face it, pretty much all) universities have always been to the left. At least since the 60s. The way students are being allowed and even encouraged to shut-down debate is a relatively new phenomenon.

I don't feel that the politics is the issue. It seems more to be with the changing nature of acceptable debate itself. People of all political leanings are becoming adept at not listening, or even not allowing others to speak.

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Re: Donald Trump's offences

Postby shiadoa » Thu Dec 21, 2017 20:13

Big Vern wrote:
shiadoa wrote:
Big Vern wrote:
shiadoa wrote:Do not be annoyed with me.....It is my Birthday and i refuse to be upset :facepalm:


I'm not annoyed.

What you are referring to is the death of honest debate which IMO isn't linked to any political affiliations. It's to do with the nature of discourse on the internet combined (or perhaps partly caused by internet discourse) with a growing inability for people to accept disagreement.


You are correct. I do , however, think that it IS directly related to Political agendas being deemed "normal", in many Universities today. :grandpa:

I would argue that the political agendas in many (let's face it, pretty much all) universities have always been to the left. At least since the 60s. The way students are being allowed and even encouraged to shut-down debate is a relatively new phenomenon.

I don't feel that the politics is the issue. It seems more to be with the changing nature of acceptable debate itself. People of all political leanings are becoming adept at not listening, or even not allowing others to speak.


Yes , they are becoming adept at not listening or allowing others to speak. I may have done that as a Student if someone paid me 15 bucks an hour to do it .
The hypocrisy in them preventing ANY form of free speech is obvious. Their argument that it may be deemed "hateful" , is irrelevant, providing it is lawful.
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Re: Donald Trump's offences

Postby Big Vern » Sun Jan 07, 2018 13:04

Just be thankful we've got someone sane in the White House. Not the sort of chap who fires off tweets in the early hours of the morning telling everyone he's not mad. In fact, he's a genius. Because, of course, telling everyone you're not mad is a sure-fire sign of mental stability. Oh, and bragging about the size of your button.

Jeesh, what a shambles. They're surely lining up Pence, aren't they?
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Re: Donald Trump's offences

Postby cfimages » Sun Jan 07, 2018 13:22

Big Vern wrote:Just be thankful we've got someone sane in the White House. Not the sort of chap who fires off tweets in the early hours of the morning telling everyone he's not mad. In fact, he's a genius. Because, of course, telling everyone you're not mad is a sure-fire sign of mental stability. Oh, and bragging about the size of your button.

Jeesh, what a shambles. They're surely lining up Pence, aren't they?


Not if they want a shot at mid-term elections.

If the R's go against Trump, all those blue-collar, working class folks who propelled him and the GOP to victory will blame the GOP establishment and never vote R again.
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Re: Donald Trump's offences

Postby Dragonbones » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:18

I read some interesting speculation this morning on why Trump may already have been indicted.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/17/opin ... index.html
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Re: Donald Trump's offences

Postby Mick » Wed Dec 19, 2018 21:50

Dragonbones wrote:I read some interesting speculation this morning on why Trump may already have been indicted.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/17/opin ... index.html


Dragonbones, I love your tips on what kind of ingredients or recipes work well, but there is no sealed indictment. I actually like Fareed Zakaria but like some of the other better CNN reporters like Christiane Amanpour seemed compelled from time to time to do a puff piece denouncing Trump. I'm sure they hate the guy, but I think they know it's shoddy journalism too.

One, Mueller exists to throw dirt up in the face of Trump and to cover for their own maleficence. Two, they don't want a trail with discovery, which is why they are settling all their cases in plea deals. Three, in this case it hasn't even been determined a crime has been committed, I know you might say "Cohen pleaded to ..." people plea to whatever yo ask if it means reducing a decades sentence to a few years and out on parole in 12 months or so.

Lastly, you seem to be quite literally cheering on the police state. An intelligence apparatus working in concert with media to take down political opposition. I know you dislike Trump, how about everyone waits to vote him out next election cycle before getting giddy the gestapo and Herr Goebbels type of reporting to take him out.
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